It's probably true that some of the glasses/sunglasses they sell do cost at least 10 times the cost of production. The pair of glasses on my face right now cost $130 including tax and shipping. PS--Maui Jim's is still independent. I see a lot of low quality frames too. Reddit Flipboard ... Gilboa and Blumenthal wanted to offer an alternative to the monopoly of the eyewear industry. This was the factory in 1961. wife is also going to get sunglasses, i was telling her to go with oakley and get a pair of polarized lenses to help with morning glare and such. Well, what is the relevant market? It seems they severely inflate the cost we pay for eye-wear for corporate profits. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I disagree with this. Think RayBan and Chanel Sunglasses are still made of good quality? Warbyparker opened in 2010. Add to Favorites. The story highlighted the largest company in the vision industry, Luxottica. You own a miniature world that will interact with your progression throughout the game and celebrate your achievements. Yes, fuck Luxottica. Why is Luxottica not considered a monopoly? Even if people do not purchase their glasses from Luxottica, they still suffer from the market effects of Luxottica's monopolistic practices. Transcript Expand. I'm curious, when you wrote this comment what went through your mind? The first part of your claim was addressed above- they may have had that power once, but not anymore. Fuck them right in the ass. So the actual market might look different if you examine it that way. Owning design, sales, marketing, distribution, etc is called something else that escapes me. They brought a number of innovations to the market in terms of design and materials that genuinely improved performance. Is there a reason other than price that transition lenses are garbage? Whatever markup they might be using, they’re not alone. Did Anyone watch 60 Minutes tonight? The point being, that there are a wide variety of alternative retailers that Luxottica doesn't have a stranglehold on. Whoa, good timing. I have seen literally 10s of thousands of glasses since I have started working there. 2015-10-30T15:51:26Z The letter F. An envelope. [–]ApproximateConifold[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children). This is because they have a product for which there is no perfect substitute. PERFECT! Luxottica: A Developing Monopoly One company that has taken over its respective industry and could continue to grow even further is Luxottica which is the world's largest company in the eyewear industry. charge a huge markup that the consumers are being exploited? And don't pay to have the edges beveled. [, Only post if you are willing to have a conversation with those who reply to you, and are available to, If you haven't replied during this time, your post will be removed. The US has an antitrust policy because of the economy in the late … Sure those $1500 HDMI cables exist because they're probably selling a few to some people every few years, so yes, in some sense they "exploit" the psychology of certain people. Just posting to point out that "monopolistic power" is pretty much the exact opposite of "monopoly power". But pause for a moment. Just bought a couple pairs last month, prescription, $13 for one and $9 for the other. Also bulk toilet paper, bulk paper towels, mouthwash, toothpase that sort of thing. Had no idea I'd find valuable glasses info in a documentary subreddit. They don't. Nov, 2016 — Lang: English. DUH! Luxottica acquired Oakley a few years later, adding it to Ray-Ban, which Luxottica obtained in 1999. “That’s how they gained control of so many … I haven't noticed any issues with clarity or otherwise being able to see. Which specific improvements were held back because of Luxottica? Aww, I like my Ray Ban Wayfarers. I acknowledge that their current behaviour and role in the market place has a serious effect on the price of a high-end variant of an easily accessible commodity. I'd also imagine that if Walmart thought that this small sliver of the market was worth pursuing they could easily put the money behind it. But that's not really relevant. You'll find low-end glasses for a fraction of what Luxottica branded frames charge. You pay the same price though. (self.changemyview), submitted 3 years ago * by ApproximateConifold. In 2001, yes Luxottica might (the operative word was might, as Walmart's optical divison opened in the early 1990s) have had a stranglehold on distribution channels, but in 2017/16/5/4/3/2/1/0? Reminds me why I surf this place every damned day! I'm thinking about getting one, but wondering if I actually would save money as a bachelor. It’s also why I bracketed it. Micro 201. Go Peoria! Getting onto business. And Luxottica is a vertical monopoly (for all practical purposes), but you can find lots of much better independent lines that the celebs are wearing. It seems like they aren’t, much like how we might point out that a Toyota isn’t in the same market as a Lamborghini- even if they are both cars and get you from A to B. Can t h see online stores add that scratch resistance coating or reduce the thickness of the lens? $200+ later they broke again on a hinge and want another $75. And most importantly I'm talking about Luxottica in the present. Definitely buy online! Do we concern ourselves with the apparent oligopoly in the high-end bag market? After reading that I am glad you said Maui Jim are awesome haha. You should report, not retaliate. etc. CMV: All laws should have a sunset provision. My $20 pair from there feel a little cheap, but they are extremely comfortable, light weight, and I don't care if I break or lose them. This isn’t even getting into Walmart, Costco, Eyes, and other large retailers. When Oakley refused to change prices (or something) Oakley wouldn't be sold in any luxotica store. Happy CMVing! I've used them for most of the few years I've had glasses. [9] The combined entity would command more than one quarter of global value sales of eyewear. My optometrist is a family friend, so I got them for almost nothing. I've worn Transistion lenses for almost 4 years now and I've never had any problem with them, in fact they've been quite nice. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. But let's pretend that it's totally true for the sake of argument. I've compared Maui Jim's top shelf to Costa's and I really feel like Costa outperformed by a long shot. They have an effective monopoly of very high-end glasses, but that's all. I'd also note that even if Costco did carry Luxottica frames they're unlikely to be in the same position as any other glasses retailer, as they're a huge company and their target consumer isn't exactly people coming into buy high-end variants of commodities. Thats it. EDIT: Here are some interesting notes. 'They started it' is not an excuse. I’ve been to a few of the other retailers and I know that quite a few of them carry a mix of Luxottica brands and less known cheaper brands. They set prices true, as I stated in the OP, but which prices do they set? Not a 750ml bottle... 1 L. And it is the finest vodka made, it says so right on the label. Stick with regular plastic. Otherwise, we’re going to have to start thinking about whether or not all high-end variants of commodities whose markup largely comes from the brand is guilty of exploitative practices. Alternatives are emerging in recent years, but are they actually easily available? But that has little bearing on the question of whether the existence of Luxottica as it stands today in the USA is a monopoly or exploits those people who need glasses and can't afford to buy Luxottica glasses through their markups. They can also be good for random stuff you need- like batteries, suitcases, food storage containers stuff you don't really think about until you see it's available. Reddit. MIND BLOWING!!! But key to that is they have no perfect substitute- if you want some eyewear which sports the brand of those 30 companies named above or equivalent, you’re not going to find that at Costco, Walmart, or Warby Parker. The pre ones have held up much better despite being several years older and were used more heavily. Gotta buy that Crown Rousse. Monopolistic competition lies in the middle. I did some research prior to writing this post and from what I could tell Luxottica, nor any retailer/manufacturer of frames really had much of an effect on the innovation of frames in some special way. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. never took them anywhere too rough, kept them in the car in the sunglasses thing. They are really fascinating :D. Do you have any opinion on the Gunnar Optiks? If they're garbage what alternative might you suggest for my situation? Are polarized lenses in sunglasses worth it? I just didn't think it was something that was relevant to Luxottica's situation. Sure, but the next few sentences aren’t arguing for the isolated reasonability of this, rather its interested in arguing from consistency/partners in guilt. Volvo is owned by the Chinese, Jeep is owned by the Italians, and mining & oil companies around the world are owned by Americans. I have considered it, in fact I grew up in a rather unfortunate background. Their produce is good too, but you can get into spoilage issues there with one person. www.eyebuydirect.com. If you want to see where the argument actually leads and a lot of evidence, I suggest you examine the exchange between /u/jzpenny and me. Edit: I got my pairs of glasses confused due to price. It's important first to understand whether we both agree that some exploitative pricing practices can exist. have an oligopoly on bags simply … I never shopped for glasses at Costco (have looked at contacts there) but walking around the optical department and the rest of the store they have a lot of Ray Ban stuff in optical and on their regular floor. Why call them garbage? So I'm sure that Costco Optical along with Luxottica brands carries cheaper alternatives. The people making your lenses don't have degrees or even special training. They seem to have a monopoly in the high-end eyewear industry, which is what I said in my OP. For one, its obviously not true on a global level. Did you think "Hm.. What is the "it" you're referring to when you wrote "it certainly can be exploitative.". Maui Jim is one of the few products I found made in Japan. No scratches on the lens, just minor ones on the frame. ▾, Your comment will be removed even if the rest of it is solid. Its possible to get glasses that get the job done without paying their outrageous prices. Ah yeah, sure monopolistic competition. Which specific improvements were held back because of Luxottica? Im going to be vague to protect myself but i work at a eyewear distribution company and we use the exact same factories in china as luxottica does. Luxottica controls, directly and indirectly, at most a few dozen brands. ▾. More Detail. Feel free to message us. Ray bans used to cheap sunglasses until bought by luxotica. Firstly eyeglasses, and pretty much all stuff related to eyewear/care (I don’t know about insurance prices, so maybe that’s gotten more expensive), has gotten cheaper and better over time. Surely a better comparison would be the premium clothing industry, or whichever premium segment of a fashion industry. The markup is the markup for high-end products. Oakley is the closest thing to an example of this, and I did point out that market conditions were different then. [–]SleeplessinRedditle55∆ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child). It sounds like we do, therefor now it's just a matter of showing you that Luxottica's behavior can reasonably fit that description. CMV: We should prioritize creating new and original PoC characters that rival the famous white characters and historical figures like Robin Hood, King Arthur, James Bond, William Wallace, etc, instead of hyping up race changes of these white characters for the sake of representation. Watch the 60 Minutes piece on the optical industries empire, Luxottica. Thank you so much for your comments! Luxottica is a vertically integrated company that designs, manufactures, distributes, and retails its own eyewear brands. This is a footnote from the CMV moderators. I've always found it amazing that increasing the price of a product for no reason whatsoever can lead to an increase in sales. ▾, Comments that are only links, jokes, or "written upvotes" will be removed. It's something that funnily enough many of Luxottica's brands have been providing for some time(as they entered into Asian markets), that many local brands/manufacturers didn't care about supporting. Same process. I have a pair of Korean knockoffs that work pretty well. Even if they weren't genuinely innovative, there's no reason another company couldn't be. I'm not sure. Can confirm the 90% markup. The common feature is that these are undesirable things for the consumer, and/or society, to experience. Description; Share&Promote; Facebook; Digg; reddit; Delicious; StumbleUpon; Tweet; Description. Are you referring to the price/markup? Depends on if you go to an optometrist or ophthalmologist and what type of exam you receive. But come on... that's pretty close to equivocating. There share price collapsed and they were bought out by luxotica. I can't remember where I heard the phrase "reassuringly expensive". This eventually leads to us having to consider all the unactualised possibilities in our assessments. On Fridays, posts can't be highly similar to any other in the past month, and won't show up in the new queue until they've been checked and approved by a moderator. This is what consumers pay for, to be part of the haves, not the have-nots. I mean seriously check your local Vision Center frame prices, or go on one of the dozens/hundreds of online retailers (seriously they got great deals, I bought my last pair from Firmoo, super cheap, got all the options and a second pair free+ it got here in six days). MY facts were wrong, Oakley MERGED with Luxottica and wasn't bought. But that’s fine, after all, a reasonable way to understand what the relevant market consists of is to ask whether the goods are substitutable. From shop TheAdAgency. [–]ApproximateConifold[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children). Yay fucking capitalism. I will admit that online retailers aren’t necessarily the easiest to access for low-income families, but there are quite a few brick-and-mortar retailers available that are selling alternatives. I'm simply stating that the markup for the frames they sell is around 2-3 times, according to the Snopes article and the 60 minutes piece, of the wholesale price. The issue with many people is that because of the amount of brands owned by luxotica they control both high and low and brands, and make them both very expensive. You know what, I want to apologise. But their market dominance and anticompetitive practices prevent anyone interested in actually improving eyewear. Reminds me of the guy who started Grey Goose vodka. I have two pairs of Persols, one pre Luxotica and one after the buyout. :). I actually did consider it and I did mention it in passing. So what is a monopoly exactly? Always buy polarized. Maui Jims, the Ferrari of sunglasses. I got transition lenses a few months ago (after having regular lenses since I was a kid [almost 20 years ago]) so that I don't have to wear sunglasses over my glasses anymore, and I love them! Did you hear Earnie just Gucci sunglasses, didn't know he was so trendy. Then there’s Luxottica’s update, at the bottom of the page. They're cheap plastic that is snapped and glued together. Firstly, please read through our rules. If you move to the US level, while Luxottica owns 3-4 thousand stores EDIT: Sorry meant 2-3 thousand, that's only a fraction of all other retailers. I've had this pair for over 4 years. I found I like a lot of the canned goods and more specialty stuff like glass bottles of artichoke hearts or olives and stuff like deli meat. [. Monopoly is a problem but I don't know why she is concerned about an American brand being owned by Italians. You've told us what not to buy but what should we buy? A monopoly exists when one company controls all aspects of a market. ▾, Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to other comments. CMV: Spam and Unsolicited call, text, and mail laws should also apply to politicians, their campaigns, and any third party actions groups, CMV: no one under the age of 18 should be allowed on any kind of image-centric social media and those social media platforms should require photo verification to prevent minors from using them, CMV: "Punishment by a fine" should be paid via a community service. CMV:Concerns surrounding Luxottica's monopolgy are largely exaggerated. Its not monopolistic practices that are leading to this. Because they own most glasses stores too, they control what glasses people can see. It’s also important to note they’re referring to global sales, Luxottica being a premium brand isn’t interested in gaining a large market share in the general market- only the markets where their premium brand is desired and the price is acceptable to the consumers. We'd like to remind you of a couple of things. Now these fucks took over, the quality has gone down, and the price has gone up. It would be analogous to saying that Versace/Gucci/etc. Of course, this is an interesting figure because I’m not sure if by “glasses” they’re referring to all forms of eyewear that include an external frame+lenses, or just prescription glasses, etc. Point is that I'm not really all too impressed by what you've wrote because almost all of it is just empirically and verifiably false. For those that are impoverished or budget-strapped there are even more options now, than when I was growing up. Anti-delta Approach. The following is a script from "Sticker Shock" which originally aired on Oct. 7, 2012, and was rebroadcast on June 15, 2014. Are they bound to this when easily accessible lower-end alternatives which are perfectly serviceable exist? This Banana Republic shirt (I hate them and their name choice, it disgusts me at a deep level), would probably cost around $7-10 to bring to market (note that I’m not talking about wholesale price or just the cost of production), it sells for ten times that price. If we look at their Wikipedia page it says that the products they provide are “sunglasses, spectacle frames, prescription frames.” Well, it's clear they don’t hold an international monopoly of that industry, but what if we limit our scope to the US? Oakley lost like a 1/3 of their revenue and ended up being gobbled up by the monolith after they removed them from sunglass hut. Its expensive because they make it expensive. Which I think is also a version of the rather lazy and sensationalist popular cracked/Adam ruins articles/videos. Everyone forgets that a lens made of glass hardly ever scratch... 2 years later I have yet to find a scratch on the lens. [–]ApproximateConifold[S] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children). etc. The point I was making with my comment about the markup wasn’t really about that. I recently went to my local Vision Center and I don't recognise any of the brands as being owned by Luxottica (I actually did this to prepare for this post), nor does their online store have any brands that are owned by Luxottica. It'll be more helpful than just repeating some stuff you saw on Adam Ruins/Cracked, or some other sensationalist/lazy place. How to not earn a delta: Which claims are false, which interpretations are implausible or unreasonable. My parents never bought me any brand name products. What is the "it" you're referring to when you wrote "it certainly can be exploitative." Luxottica controls almost all brands of glasses and sunglasses in all price ranges. Owning design, sales, marketing, distribution, etc is called something else that escapes me. FTF is an attempt to reduce topic fatigue. Do we say that even though high-end clothes/accessories/etc. There are THOUSANDS of brands, and hundreds in the US. Oh, but the kept the pretty luminescent lens colors, for the fashion pigs. But I don't particularly care either way. What do you think of this soft ? No spring hinges. Well, there are a multitude of websites that sell you glasses like warbyparker, clearlycontacts, glassesusa, zennioptical, smartbuyglasses, etc. Can I get some sources for that? Have you been around long enough to remember when Revo was the cutting edge of sunglass/eye-care technology? When Oakley refused to change prices (or something) Oakley wouldn't be sold in any luxotica store. Medicare does not pay for refractions. You don't need to have extras like polishing the edges if your frame encloses the lens you can't even see it. Not sure what the point of this paragraph is. This proves the entire thing is bullshit. You didn't consider the possible negative consequences of anticompetitive practices on innovation. anonymous on 1. Is there a better photochromic lens? What is stopping those same improvements from being applied and sold by another brand? Reddit LinkedIn ... the loss of optionality increases the monopoly company’s leverage and allows them to compress the royalties they pay to the brand. But that’s not because of monopolistic features, its because of the type of consumeristic, brand-obsessed culture that exists. Monopoly is a market structure in which there is a single seller. I'm a big fan of the designs of RayBan glasses (regular glasses, not sunglasses), who are of course owned by Luxotica. Additionally, there are quite a few different companies like Oakley, if they're going for the whole specialised function meets fashion. Edit 2: The picture I've provided is a picture of the receipt I got in my email, it doesn't represent the full options and functionalities of the website. How much do t-shirts costs to produce, and how much are they sold for? What's really mystifying is that there's really no benefit to doing this. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. If you go to an Ophthalmologist and they bill medicare, you will be charge for the cost of a refraction. We've actually seen quite a lot of innovation in the eyewear industry as a whole in the last decade or so. Another optician here, the only brands we carry are luxottica (Tiffany, dolce & gabana, vogue, prada, ray bans), marchon (nike, flexon, valentino, ferragamo, michael Kors), Safilo ( carrera, georgio armani, emporio armani, boss, dior, hugo, gucci, kate spade, juicy couture, marc jacob), oakleys, and Maui Jims. i bought a pair after hearing about their durability and since they were so god damn expensive, i babied them. Not as good as Revo, back in the day, but then nothing is. Figure 1: The Monopoly Market Structure of Luxottica By Marina Bossio, Tate Eckford-Vea, and Julia Malone P History Founded by Leonardo Del Vecchio in Agordo, Belluno, Italy Launched first branded frames in Milan, Italy Initiated Actually I don't. I haven't been to the US in a long time). With regards to the specific Forbes article, I would like to contest quite a few things. You don't like transition lenses? and join one of thousands of communities. The wholesale prices of Luxottica's products look like retail prices for other products with similar supply chains, produced by manufacturers with far less verticality and negotiating power. Whether you're the OP or not, please reply to the user(s) that change your view to any degree with a delta in your comment (instructions below), and also include an explanation of the change. Yes, I always used it when I was a bachelor. It was a $12 pair and those were the ones that felt cheap. My position is that either Luxottica is not a monopoly, or it is an effective monopoly/holds monopolistic powers, but it isn’t a problematic monopoly. Look at the number of Luxottica stores, 2,291. I go to a local, not a chain, so I like to think I'm OK there. I would say that there are clearly more alternatives in recent years, but its strange to say they’re only emerging in recent years. Companies either buy old brands, or remake their old brands to appeal to different market segments. It does almost nothing except jack up the price. Don't get an anti glare coating. [–]ApproximateConifold[S] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children). So then is it your conclusion that nobody but wealthy people pay additional prices for glasses due to Luxottica's market behavior? Enter with a mindset for conversation, not debate. No, we acknowledge that intrinsically tied to the brand is the premium pricing and artificial scarcity/limited supply that the brand requires. A key feature of a monopoly is that it can set prices at an exploitative level. If they cared, they'd learn to use the fucking internet and not get taken. There are a lot of people in my building from Somalia who can barely speak english, people who have room temprature IQs, and people who don't really care if your glasses are even a good quality. Examples abound from Burberry, Apple, Hudson's Bay Company, Stella Artois, etc. Take a look at this chart(seems to be a trade magazine) on the optical players in the US market (2014). [–]0k0k 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children). I can't really speak to what Costco does or doesn't carry, as I don't have a membership (I've been thinking of getting one though) and their online site doesn't list the frames they carry. I'm not married to this figure nor am I saying that the same frames, sans brand, couldn't retail for $25-50 and turn a profit. This post has the list of brands that I used to check. But that has little bearing on the question of whether the existence of Luxottica as it stands today in the USA is a monopoly or exploits those people who need glasses and can't afford to buy Luxottica glasses through their markups. Name brands are not the best. Sure those $1500 HDMI cables exist because they're probably selling a few to some people every few years, so yes, in some sense they "exploit" the psychology of certain people. I'm glad you don't really care, I was being a little generous (most people I know that buy Oakley don't seem to be interested in the performance benefits). You’re right, we are now focused on whether or not Luxottica’s behaviour can be thought to reasonably fit that description. It would be like complaining about the markup on the price of Perrier water, when perfectly suitable tap water is easily accessible. 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